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@jon liking the easy window tiling in this version!
@jon That is a really awesome release and proves one more time, we are on the right browser!
@jon recently switched and quite happy with everything so far.
A point I haven't seen others make is the first start-up experience: Optional account; letting me know about the feed reader, calendar .etc without pushing it; customization with a couple suggested themes and tab placement without being overwhelming...
Plus you can just x out at any point and use the thing. It was a really good experience!
@jon "While other browsers add AI summarization and Edge pushes Copilot integration, Vivaldi 7.8 ships features users have actually requested"
🧑🍳💋
that's so delicious 😋
@jon Just got a very enthusiastic demonstration of what is possible with the new tiling, time to upgrade!
@jon as long as you avoid "AI", I'm in.
(WTF is "AI" doing in _anything_, in the first place, is beyond me)
Outdated keyword stuffing and hashtag overuse, a primitive SEO technique, utterly ineffective nowadays apparently.
@jon This browser has been eluding me for a long time, idk why. 🥲
Why do people choose Vivaldi?
I guess you have to ask our users, but I believe there are a number of reasons users choose us:
1. Features. Just a lot of useful features. Workspaces, tab stacks, tab tiles and a lot of flexibility in the UI.
2. Privacy. Built in tracker and ad blocker and a stand against the surveillance economy.
3. No integrated AI.
4. No Crypto currencies.
5. Made in Europe. Headquarters in Norway, team and servers in Iceland and developers in Norway and Iceland and a few in other European countries.
I am an (almost always) happy user of Vivaldi. I work online a lot and intensively, and Vivaldi is incredibly powerful and efficient once you get to grips with it.
This browser is actually a complete office suite—and I am still a long way from using **all** the features it offers.
And yes—I'm quite adept at AI, but please refrain from adding unsolicited services to my suite of tools.
When I utilize AI, it will only be when I initiate it myself.
In my opinion, Vivaldi is almost perfect. Except, of course, for scrolling across a vertical tab list. The resulting website tempest is not for epileptics!
@jon Thanks for the reply!
I like the browser approach that avoids crypto and AI, everything you described, and the fact that all the infrastructure is in Europe rather than the US. 💪
And I like Norway! 🇳🇴 ☺️
@jon somehow, that blog post sounds AI-written
"Outdated hashtag spamming and keyword stuffing, how quaint, Vivaldi's SEO strategy is hilariously ineffective."
That is something we are still working on, but you can select which elements to hide in the settings.
@jon AWESOME!
Thank you.
@jon I want so much to love this browser: no AI, European, Fediverse-friendly (as in: "it's nice to see you care about here as well"), but... it's so damn hard to root for yet another closed-source chromium-based browser.
Is there any plan to change the chromium-dependency in the future to support a more diverse web ecosystem?
@ed , I think moving away from Chromium is not an option at this time. Having made a browser from scratch before, Opera, I know what it takes to build a browser from scratch and there is a reason companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft have not done it.
I think there is great value in us growing and being able to contribute more to the Chromium project. I think that can make a significant difference.
@jon It's understandable but the least think you could do is open-source the Vivaldi code and also make issue tracking/support public. Currently the only way to report issues is via e-mail and I never got a response regarding two bugs I reported last year.
@jon I still wish there were a way to break away from Chromium.
Here is the thing. Chromium came out of Webkit. Webkit came out of KHTML. A strong Vivaldi can influence Chromium, I am sure about that. I think that is a more realistic route at this time and I hope people will support us on this route.
At Opera we had 100 working on Presto. 100 people with experience and skills. I believe Opera should have added about 10 to that team yearly to stay competitive. Instead they killed it. This was the best codebase at that time as it was all written from scratch and optimized. Building something like that today is just not going to be easy and that is something we do not have resources to do as it would require a much larger team today and it would take a long time to do. Instead we can gradually have team members work on Chromium and get our stuff into that codebase.
Not really. At Opera we built a browser with as much as 350 million monthly users. Still we had to deal with compatibility issues as sites would block us. Not least sites by Google, Apple and Microsoft. That is after building the browser core with the best standards support of them all.
It is most natural for us to go with Chromium to ensure compatibility. Making things work with multiple engines is also too time consuming. I think it is best that we put in the resources to influence Chromium in the best possible direction. A Strong Vivaldi can do that.
At Opera we had the largest team of any company engaging with writing the Web standards we all use today. There are some guys working on Chromium today that are former Opera people, but sadly they do not work for us.
We can contribute more and have more of an influence with a larger company. Currently we spend a lot of time just modifying and improving functionality, but we are not getting much of our changes into Chromium. We hope to change that, but first we must grow more.
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@jon thanks for the reply and for sharing that experience, really appreciated.