Post · bonfire.cafe

@soviut @sil But it's those same flows where this technology tends to fail most spectacularly. Go trace your local food delivery system w/ WPT or a low-spec device. Here in the US, the UIs of Grubhub, Caviar, Opentable, and many others have been totally destroyed by this tech.

I've been getting variations of "we need this to be built in a heavyweight JS framework because 'it's an app'" for years and years, and I'm not going to take the theory as valid when ~all of the practice cuts against it.

Alex Russell

@slightlyoff@toot.cafe · 5 months ago

@soviut @sil That said, I agree that when things come in under specific budgets, this can be a better way to build certain classes of UI. I'm using elk.zone to post this, and it's wonderful. The YT PWA is pretty great. But these are exceptions that prove the rule: the set of teams that can be trusted to do a good job with an SPA stack could deliver a great experience without it.

Federation Bot

@Federation_Bot · 5 months ago

@slightlyoff @sil I've worked several times with those teams who picked the wrong tech. They did so because they're cargo culting and would fare even worse with vanilla JS or an MPA.

The issue is many of them don't have deep web fundamentals. Not because of frameworks, but because the web is notoriously vast and constantly churning. I happen to like the churn but many find it exhausting and I don't blame them for that.

At the very least, Frameworks are well documented mostly static targets that let developers focus more on solving problems rather than fighting their browsers. Frameworks are solving a people problem more than a technical one.