having read the actual discussion thread, Framework have made their decision, and I believe they are who they are saying they are. Purchase accordingly.
https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/31
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@davidgerard yes, I read a bit of this yesterday and today and now I deffo won't be getting a framework as a new laptop. Second hand thinkpads it is. Well, at least I would have saved some money.
@joseghast i wanted a framework 12 *so much* until yesterday
@davidgerard @joseghast [anxiously awaits verdict on the MNT folks]
@davidgerard @joseghast yeah I'd used their laptop builder thingy on their site quite a few times. Shine is gone off it for me.
@davidgerard I've never heard of this company, but now I'll always know them as "those fash laptops." Outstanding PR move!
@midnightspire @davidgerard *I'd* heard of them. They were my planned exit route from Apple as/when Apple enshittifies … until they, too, shat the bed.
@cstross @midnightspire @davidgerard someone on the thread shared a pretty good background and summary of what's happening for those out of the loop https://crimier.github.io/posts/Framework-Omarchy/
@cstross @midnightspire @davidgerard there's currently a whole thing starting with Ruby being the latest big one. It turns out there's a bunch of open-source software developers who are in control of their projects infrastructure have turned out to be far right racists
Honestly from a demographic overlap standpoint it kind of makes sense the same way that a lot of open source devs caught the crypto brain worms hard
@addressforbots @cstross @midnightspire @davidgerard this is nothing new. Recall the politics of the person who originally coined the term "Open Source". (That's esr, for those who weren't around for the peak of his relevance in the late 90's.)
@noahm @addressforbots @cstross @midnightspire @davidgerard I thought it was Christine Peterson who coined the term, Raymond who popularised it and was mistakenly credited for it.
@addressforbots @cstross @midnightspire yeah we're building a receipt collection https://awful.systems/post/5833209 cc @zzt
@davidgerard @addressforbots @cstross @midnightspire @zzt This is why I can't be an anarchist even though I wish I could: a certain number of people always turn out to be brainwormed assferrets, and the rest of us need to protect ourselves from them.
@msbellows @davidgerard @addressforbots @midnightspire @zzt Yep. In any group of 100 humans you will find between 3 and 25 flaming asshat fascists and another 30 people who are happy to sleep-walk along in formation behind them. It's astonishing how anything ever gets done without random effusions of pointless cruelty.
@davidgerard Damn… In the end there is never one company or organization doing cool things that I can fully support with a good conscience. It’s exhausting to battle with the presumptuous supposed a-politicality of privileged tech people…
I am a Framework Linux Community Ambassador, now I have to decide what to do.
I feel you. I'll keep using the hardware, but I'm less interested in doing free tech support in the forums and helping other people with their stuff. If they've got enough money to hand out like this, they've got enough to field their own damn tech support - Unless proving they're on board with the far right is MORE important than fully supporting their own product.
@davidgerard ffs another interesting thing lost to the fash.
@davidgerard Framework folks looking around, asking "why does this big tent smell so terrible?"
@lmorchard these particular Framework folk consider that smell purest ambrosia
@davidgerard
Honestly the thread's a pretty good example of how to spot various attempts to dilute or diffuse or justify things. Definitely not arguing in good faith, as the later posts make clear (including some moderation action).
But if people need some examples of how faux civility is weaponized, it's solid for that.
As for framework, made my decisions, but I wasn't buying a laptop from them next week anyway.
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@davidgerard I’m not super familiar with Framework, how are they related to the people in the first screenshot (I just skimmed the first couple of posts in the thread.)
@davidgerard oof. technology is not neutral. i am waiting for my current hardware to expire before buying anything but had been hoping to buy Framework. this makes me rethink that.
@davidgerard they are who they say they are, and who they are is unacceptable to me.Thanks for the warning.
@davidgerard FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK :(
@davidgerard Oh my. Fuck. I was really considering to buy a Framework laptop soon. Really a disappointing stance by the founder.
@geeeero @davidgerard I still like my Framework laptop, but the upcoming purchases I was thinking of are now on hold until further notice.
So, uh, Framework, were you watching what happened to Disney when Jimmy Kimmel was taken off the air?
@davidgerard time for "I bought this before we knew they were fascists" stickers?
