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Erin Kissane
Erin Kissane
@kissane@mas.to  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

I think Mastodon's proposal for starter packs is a significant positive evolution of the way Bluesky rolled them out. I wound up on a bunch of packs there and it was…not a great thing for my specific brain and purpose.

I do hope the people in Masto's comments saying they must allow opt-out and removal will read the actual post, which features both blanket opt-out and individual removal.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/10/our-ideas-about-packs/

Firstly, it's important to us that users have control over whether they appear in Packs on Mastodon. Early design explorations with our concept of Packs led us to the following possibilities:

• Packs will become an extension of discovery. Users who wish to opt out entirely from Packs will be able to do so by disabling the existing setting, labelled "Feature profile and posts in discovery algorithms". This will signal that an account cannot be added to a Pack.
• Users will be notified when they are included in a Pack. Unlike on Bluesky, where users wishing to remove themselves from a Starter Pack must either report the Starter Pack, or block the user, users on Mastodon will have a more neutral mechanism to remove themselves from a Pack they do not wish to be part of. (note: we implemented something similar with the Quote Posts feature, where an original post can be removed from a quote post; this same idea would flow through to Packs).
Firstly, it's important to us that users have control over whether they appear in Packs on Mastodon. Early design explorations with our concept of Packs led us to the following possibilities: • Packs will become an extension of discovery. Users who wish to opt out entirely from Packs will be able to do so by disabling the existing setting, labelled "Feature profile and posts in discovery algorithms". This will signal that an account cannot be added to a Pack. • Users will be notified when they are included in a Pack. Unlike on Bluesky, where users wishing to remove themselves from a Starter Pack must either report the Starter Pack, or block the user, users on Mastodon will have a more neutral mechanism to remove themselves from a Pack they do not wish to be part of. (note: we implemented something similar with the Quote Posts feature, where an original post can be removed from a quote post; this same idea would flow through to Packs).
Firstly, it's important to us that users have control over whether they appear in Packs on Mastodon. Early design explorations with our concept of Packs led us to the following possibilities: • Packs will become an extension of discovery. Users who wish to opt out entirely from Packs will be able to do so by disabling the existing setting, labelled "Feature profile and posts in discovery algorithms". This will signal that an account cannot be added to a Pack. • Users will be notified when they are included in a Pack. Unlike on Bluesky, where users wishing to remove themselves from a Starter Pack must either report the Starter Pack, or block the user, users on Mastodon will have a more neutral mechanism to remove themselves from a Pack they do not wish to be part of. (note: we implemented something similar with the Quote Posts feature, where an original post can be removed from a quote post; this same idea would flow through to Packs).
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日本語まあまあ
日本語まあまあ
@nihongomaamaa@mastodon.ie  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane opt-in sounds much better to me.

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Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) 👤
Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) 👤
@sloanlance@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane
I've been using Mastodon for a few years and I think I could also benefit from some "starter" packs.

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@commitcompanion@social.anoxinon.de  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane
Coool 😍

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Regezi
Regezi
@Regez@troet.cafe  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane

cc @bsi
* bezüglich eurer kürzlichen Frage an die Community...

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Bartosz
Bartosz
@RakowskiBartosz@hachyderm.io  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane could it be possible to block a pack and hence reduce clicks?

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Ember :catplant:​
Ember :catplant:​
@Ember@blobfox.coffee  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane as long as instances without support for packs means automatic opt out

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Erin Kissane
Erin Kissane
@kissane@mas.to  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

The thing I had most hoped would happen on the feature-design side is that fediverse systems and ATProto systems would learn from each other and I think this is a good example of that actually taking place.

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Laurens Hof
Laurens Hof
@laurenshof@indieweb.social  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3m2mldbsmys2t

some more context on the 'learn from each other part'. Flagged this to Scott at fediforum, and very good to see mastodon being so receptive to further feedback

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Erin Kissane
Erin Kissane
@kissane@mas.to  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

One last thing! Starter packs are a *really* good way to help whole communities (of practice or interest) move from one network to another without losing their whole history of connection and conviviality, and I think that's been quite successful at Bsky—it helped a lot of communities make the jump off of Twitter.

Finding ways to move already-connected sets of great, busy people into better places is the dream, to me.

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Vernal
Vernal
@SarraceniaWilds@sunny.garden  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane when you say it like that its like a different version of the way account migration currently works.

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Cris
@CrisColor@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 7 months ago

@kissane I'm so glad it's panning out that way!

Also this is how I learned we're getting starter packs, neat!

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